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Friday, November 11, 2005

Do we see a mirror here?

The Star page 32 today carries an interesting report which is of special interest to the Blogging community:

Teenage boys under probe
over riot blogs


PARIS: Two teenage boys were placed under investigation on Tuesday for inciting violence by using their blogs to urge others to join the rioting that is raging in the country, judicial officials said.
The two, a French national aged 16 and an 18-year-old Ghanaian national, come from the Seine-Saint-Denis region northest of Paris where the violence first broke out on Oct 27.
They have been placed under judicial investigation, the first step to formal charges, for "provoking wilful damage to property that poses a danger to people, via the Internet."
Both have been released from custody but remain under court supervision.
A third youth, aged 14, from the southeasterm city of Aix-en-Provence, has been released without charge for procedural reasons.
All three youths, who did not know one another, had hosted their blogs on a site owned by a youth radio station Skyrock. -- AFP

Desiderata urges caution on te part of Bloggers -- after recent incidents of prosecution of several Bloggers across the Causeway, and also some less than "simlar" commenters like Goodman on Malaysian blogs -- we need to be constantly vigilant. But we also cannot be overly reactive to the extent the pwers-that-be put us on a leash -- as they do with the mainstream print media. OtherWISE, we fail in breaking new grounds and bold horizons with a medium still much in its infancy. Nothing venture, nothing gained.


Desi also reprises a week-old news report pertaining to the present ongoing unrest In many of France's suburban centres where some substantial segments feel "alienation" ....

Muslim youths battle Paris police

ASSOCIATED PRESS
November 4, 2005


AULNAY-SOUS-BOIS, France -- Rampaging youths shot at police and firefighters yesterday after burning car dealerships and public buses and hurling rocks at commuter trains, as eight days of riots over poor conditions in Paris-area housing projects spread to 20 towns.
Youths ignored an appeal for calm from President Jacques Chirac, whose government worked feverishly to fend off a political crisis amid criticism that it has ignored problems in neighborhoods heavily populated by first- and second-generation North African and other Muslim immigrants.
Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin called a string of emergency meetings with Cabinet ministers throughout the day. He told the Senate the government "will not give in" to violence in the troubled suburbs.
"Order and justice will be the final word in our country," Mr. de Villepin said. "The return to calm and the restoration of public order are the priority -- our absolute priority."
The riots started Oct. 27 after the fatal shocking of two teenagers who ran from a soccer game and hid in a power station in the northeastern suburb of Clichy-sous-Bois after they saw police enter the area. Youths in the neighborhood said police chased the boys to their death.
French authorities have said that officers were investigating a suspected burglary and not pursuing the boys, a view backed up by an interim report by the national police inspectors office released yesterday.
Investigators said the boys -- Mauritania-born Traore Bouna, 15, and Zyed Benna, 17, of Tunisia -- knew of the dangers of hiding in an electric substation as they sought to evade police. The report also cites two witnesses saying they did not see the boys being chased. A third boy, Muttin Altun, 17, was badly burned.
Separate administrative and judicial investigations into the accidental deaths also were under way.
By Wednesday night, violence triggered by the deaths had spread to at least 20 Paris-region towns, said Jean-Francois Cordet, the top government official for the Seine-Saint-Denis region north of Paris where the violence has been concentrated. He said youths in the region fired four shots at riot police and firefighters but caused no injuries.
Nine persons were injured in Seine-Saint-Denis and 315 cars burned across the Paris area, officials said. In the tough northeastern suburb of Aulnay-sous-Bois, youth gangs set fire to a Renault car dealership and burned at least a dozen cars, a supermarket and a local gymnasium.
Traffic was halted yesterday morning on a suburban commuter line linking Paris to Charles de Gaulle airport after stone-throwing rioters attacked two trains overnight at the Le Blanc-Mesnil station. They forced a conductor from one train and broke windows, the national rail authority SNCF said. A passenger was slightly injured by broken glass.
Mr. de Villepin's major political rival, Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy said yesterday that the riots in several Paris suburbs over the previous night were "not spontaneous" but rather "well organized," Agence France-Presse reported.
"What we saw in the department of Seine-Saint-Denis overnight was not spontaneous, it was perfectly organized. We are looking into by whom and how," Mr. Sarkozy told French news channel I-Tele.
The unrest has highlighted the division between France's big cities and their poor suburbs, with frustration simmering in the housing projects in areas marked by high unemployment, crime and poverty.
The violence also cast doubt on the success of France's model of seeking to integrate its large immigrant community by playing down differences between ethnic groups. The country's Muslim population, at an estimated 5 million, is Western Europe's largest. Rather than feeling embraced as full and equal citizens, immigrants and their French-born children complain of police harassment and of being refused jobs, housing and opportunities. -- AP



Do Malaysians see a sort of mirror in these secnarios akin to the Malaysian landscape. if not reality, then potentially?

7 comments:

Anonymous said...
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chong y l said...

TO ALL READERS:

Thus far, Desi has refrained on acting on the advice of many mGf, well-meaning and through their own experience, that I should install "Word Verification" to orevent spams; and to also disallow ANONYMOUS commenters access.

This morning's first commenter is the sort who tests my forebearance. I have always tried to push debate and dsicourse on CivilSociety to the outer limits possible to saty within the boundaries of the law and meaningful human endeavours.

Othewise, further abuse amounting to fanning Racist and / or Religious divsions is one area Desi stricyly has NO LOVE for. So please cease and desist to likeminded commenters at the previous visitor who should really look into the mirror whether he's helping any society.: PeAce to All.

dreameridiot said...

I think it is a huge mistake even to term the riots as Muslim, because doing so will only bring in an unnncessary and in fact irrelevant ideological baggage into the debate. Yes, the majority of these people of African and Arab origins are Muslims, but they are acting more of their pent up furstrations as disenfranchised and discriminated second class citizens. Furthermore, some news reports have clearly shown that these rioters do not act out of a religious fanaticism, rather from their socio-economic status. Mreover, I would add that such environement, espeically with some blatant froms of racism from some quarters, will provide fertile grounds, not for radical indoctrination, but for channeling the anger into terrorist actions.

If anything, these riots have a greater resonance for people living in ghettoes around the world, whose existence are constantly mired in the increasing socio-economic disparity created through social and geograhical structuring.

chong y l said...

dreamer not idiotic:
hi there -- warm welcome with Desi's traditional tehtarik.

You zero in quickly, and aptly in my opinion, that this issue centres aroung "disenfranchsied and discriminated" segments of society -- which exist in almost all countries, esp those which have liberal immigration policies. Desi agrees that the "muslim" factor is incidental to the issue at hand, and it's precisely this point that patently racist bigots (first comment I was forced to remove...) would exploit to fire up already incendiary situations.Thanks to "dreamer" for some discerning thhoughts.
My question about "seeing the mirror" here is to caution some of our nincompoop politicians they stand guilty of using racist/religious hatred to promote their selfish agenda. To such creatures, Plesse cease and desist!Let thinking citizens stay vigilant and let not these "leaders" in wolves' clothings get away with disfigurement, or even, blue murder.

chong y l said...

hi yan:

A telling story from your Singapore conference, but increasingly being told as modern society becomes competitive, and stressful.

This is also discerning in OUR COUNTRY -- and the two factors as discerned by idiotic dreamer -- disenfranchisement and discrimination -- we don't care what the cuases are, have come to roost here. imho, the increasing incidence of ROAD RAGE is just a reflection of the seedbeds of rage, anger and disenchantment felt by "marginalised" groups. If this is not arrested - I think our PM is inetlligently aware of the situation -- Malaysia may not be able to escape similar outbreaks of violence as currently besieging France.

It's all so true -- we share common space, which is becoming increasingly crowded, esp in cities,but our interests diverge on several fronts, some natural, some articially created.
I don't have "easy solutions" proposals -- but the Govt socalled "leaders" better wake up to their wayward ways!

Is Desi sounding a li'l alarmist? Esteemed Readers, you better tell me!

dreameridiot said...

Thx for yr reply. There r reasons why I call myself dreamer idiot - a dreamer and idiot all rolled into one.

Anyway, with regard to the alienation in modern life, it was already felt years ago by writers like Charles dickens during the Age of Industrialisation.

Besides, I personally feel that a lot of signs point to an impending doom for humanity, no matter what we try.

As you r a Christian (which I read you mentioning somewhere; and of which I am not), you would have many reasons to believe that the despair and desperation shown (whether overtly or in disgused form as blind materialism or hedonism) are silent cries from a gaping emptiness within the 'souls' of men.

chong y l said...

hi dreAmer i. -- i appreciate thy humour, hiopefully we can share some of sab's wits-taker chocks when she gets back to KLsville. I told her to bring a contaioner load.

As for your followup views, I have continued the discussion on Friday's (TGIF! or is it cos of Friday's Child who wins at Love...) frontpage.

Hi to Other EsteemedReaders, Desi's Place welcomes thy views on quite a current, significant subject related to Terrorism, our world today ...:(